If you are a Windows user who is sick of M$ and paying for what inevitably ends up being bug filled, security problematic software, (or Mac users for that matter) you should definitely read this. I wrote it for you. I used to be you! If you love computing, are on your computer all the time, or just someone looking for more control and freedom over “YOUR” PC, you should definitely come away from this a lot less hesitant about making the move to Linux! I wish there had been something this succinct when I was making the switch.
It was 2008, I was using Linux.(I have been since 1991 or ’92 off and on, though at that time, more ‘off’ than ‘on’) Over the last 8 to 10 years, I had been a wanderer on the Linux landscape. I was just off a career that spanned almost 30 years of working with nothing but computers, mostly MS servers. Toss in a couple of AS400’s, Apples, even an OS/2 Warp server. It wasn’t until going to work for UPS that I had my first taste of Unix. When I started at UPS there were still several systems that relied on their Unix servers. My job with UPS required a lot of database experience and being able to import usable data into the UPS shipping systems format. Fun stuff. In other words, I had my hands in a ton of different hardware, OS’s and yes, desktops too. (anybody remember 10Base-T and the fun of trying to find which one had the bad ‘terminator’ plugged into it?) This ended in Mar read more
The below post, as well as the one prior, was posted (by me) at the VSIDO forums on a thread there debating the direction Debian should go with a new init system. (I’ve made that a direct link to the thread in question) As this vote gets nearer, it is time for some alarm in the Linux community, and everyone should in some way try to make their voice heard. This is my way. It isn’t meant to offend anyone, truly. This is a serious issue that is about to happen and Debian should know how we feel about it.
Wow. What can I say that statmonkey hasn’t? Not much if anything at all…
At around the 40 minute mark in the first video posted above, when Steve Langasek starts in with the “what’s up with Debian and licensing”, I definitely threw in the towel on Upstart. Not that I hadn’t already, but when Canonical starts telling dev’s to send in their work, and don’t bother signing the CLA, and see what happens, that was it for me. I had read in a couple of different places on the net where some of Ian’s (Ian Jackson, former Canonical/Ubuntu dev) posts sounded like he was going to go for Upstart. I have to say after watching the above, that I don’t think you can read more
OK, my .00002 cents worth. (sorry for the lengthyness of this post, it touched a nerve maybe or something close)
First, what is the problem with sysvinit? OK, so systemd will do a complete userspace boot-up in 900ms. So what? Having personally tried systemd with VSIDO, I saw no ‘great’ benefits. OTOH, I have never tried Upstart. (does using Upstart mean using Mir/Unity?)
Second, when you mention Upstart, all that I can think of is “we’re Shuttleworth’d”…
And third, why do we have to have one, or the other? There are multiple choices now. (As Digit so aptly mentions above)
Back to boot speeds, I read one posters comment, (on one of the other forums) and I’m paraphrasing here, if my system takes 3 to 5 minutes to boot, but once booted it remains solid and has no issues, then I don’t care. Personally I think that the boot speeds that most people are talking about these days have more to do, generically, with UEFI than systemd. (yes, I know systemd drastically can reduce boot times, and have seen that with my own eyes) But, UEFI passes the boot off from the BIOS (read; slow) and directly to hardware, which, if your using an SSD, can seem instantaneous. So, in a server environment, IMO, boot speeds tend to be irrelevant. On a desktop (laptop) this becomes even more irrelevant. (unless of course, your James Bond, the earth is getting ready to explode, and you have to save the read more