The below post, as well as the one prior, was posted (by me) at the VSIDO forums on a thread there debating the direction Debian should go with a new init system. (I’ve made that a direct link to the thread in question) As this vote gets nearer, it is time for some alarm in the Linux community, and everyone should in some way try to make their voice heard. This is my way. It isn’t meant to offend anyone, truly. This is a serious issue that is about to happen and Debian should know how we feel about it.
Wow. What can I say that statmonkey hasn’t? Not much if anything at all…
At around the 40 minute mark in the first video posted above, when Steve Langasek starts in with the “what’s up with Debian and licensing”, I definitely threw in the towel on Upstart. Not that I hadn’t already, but when Canonical starts telling dev’s to send in their work, and don’t bother signing the CLA, and see what happens, that was it for me. I had read in a couple of different places on the net where some of Ian’s (Ian Jackson, former Canonical/Ubuntu dev) posts sounded like he was going to go for Upstart. I have to say after watching the above, that I don’t think you can read more
OK, my .00002 cents worth. (sorry for the lengthyness of this post, it touched a nerve maybe or something close)
First, what is the problem with sysvinit? OK, so systemd will do a complete userspace boot-up in 900ms. So what? Having personally tried systemd with VSIDO, I saw no ‘great’ benefits. OTOH, I have never tried Upstart. (does using Upstart mean using Mir/Unity?)
Second, when you mention Upstart, all that I can think of is “we’re Shuttleworth’d”…
And third, why do we have to have one, or the other? There are multiple choices now. (As Digit so aptly mentions above)
Back to boot speeds, I read one posters comment, (on one of the other forums) and I’m paraphrasing here, if my system takes 3 to 5 minutes to boot, but once booted it remains solid and has no issues, then I don’t care. Personally I think that the boot speeds that most people are talking about these days have more to do, generically, with UEFI than systemd. (yes, I know systemd drastically can reduce boot times, and have seen that with my own eyes) But, UEFI passes the boot off from the BIOS (read; slow) and directly to hardware, which, if your using an SSD, can seem instantaneous. So, in a server environment, IMO, boot speeds tend to be irrelevant. On a desktop (laptop) this becomes even more irrelevant. (unless of course, your James Bond, the earth is getting ready to explode, and you have to save the read more
As most in the computer field are aware, (unless you live under a snow drift in the Arctic) Microsoft has released the latest version of their OS, Windows 8. I will state right now, for the record, that I have not tried it and, as a matter of fact, never even saw it in action, save a YouTube video I watched touting it’s features. I’ve only recently switched to Linux full-time, though I did dual-boot using Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit for a couple of years. (and before that I dual-booted using WinXP and Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron, which was my first outing using the Ubuntu distro back in April 2008) During that stint, the dual-boot was a waste of drive space considering I almost never booted into the MS OS. Sometime around April or May of this year that all changed with the arrival of a laptop I had purchased in Feb. that I had installed Ubuntu 10.10 on.
The laptop came with a 256 GB SSD drive that, like I said, I installed Ubuntu on. (I went with 10.10 read more